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Supreme Court Looks For Ways To Wait Out Trump On Key Census Question

Nov 30, 2020
Originally published on November 30, 2020 3:57 pm

Updated at 5:24 p.m. ET

At the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday, the justices expressed doubts about a plan to exclude undocumented immigrants from a key census count — the first time unauthorized immigrants would not be counted for purposes of drawing new congressional districts.

The Constitution mandates that the "whole number of persons" living in each state be counted to figure out how many congressional seats and Electoral College votes are allocated to each state. But in July, President Trump issued a memorandum instructing the U.S. Census Bureau to exclude all undocumented immigrants from the count used for apportionment purposes.

At the high court Monday, acting Solicitor General Jeffrey Wall was in the unenviable position of telling the justices he didn't know how many "illegal aliens" Trump plans to exclude.

"As of this very morning," he said, "career experts at the Census Bureau confirmed with me that they still don't know even roughly how many illegal aliens it'll be able to identify, let alone how their number and geographic concentration might affect apportionment."

Chief Justice John Roberts noted that the court expedited this case because the Trump administration asserted it needed the numbers before Dec. 31 to allocate congressional seats.

"Is that date still operative?" Roberts asked. "Do you still need a decision by that date?"

Wall replied that "the situation is fairly fluid," prompting the chief justice to observe that if that is the case, and the allocation of seats goes forward, the court would later have to "unscramble the eggs," and that would have "ripple effects all across the country."

The administration still doesn't know what is "feasible," Wall said, adding that small subsets of "illegal aliens" may be identifiable — for instance, those in Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention.

Justice Samuel Alito said excluding the estimated 10.5 million undocumented immigrants present in the United States "seems to me a monumental task," and, he observed, "there are only 31 days left in the year."

"I would think you would be able to tell us whether that remains a realistic possibility at this point," he said.

But Wall could not, and so the justices started looking for legal exit ramps that would allow a later challenge to whatever Trump decides to do.

Still Wall pressed on, saying the administration is on an "extremely compressed" schedule and should not be barred from "this opportunity" to allocate congressional seats.

But if Trump was looking for help from his appointees to the court, he didn't get much.

"A lot of historical evidence and long-standing practice really cuts against your position," said Amy Coney Barrett, Trump's newest appointee.

Moreover, she said, given the uncertainty about the Census Bureau's ability to come up with any firm numbers, perhaps the court should wait and see what develops.

But New York Solicitor General Barbara Underwood, opposing the administration, said that "the Framers wanted a system that could not easily be manipulated. So they decided to count just the persons living in each state." The Trump administration policy, she said, "would for the first time ... reject that choice."

Also opposing the Trump policy was the American Civil Liberties Union's Dale Ho, representing immigrant rights groups. Waiting until after the allocation of congressional seats, he said, would be disruptive for states that will quickly be in a crunch to redraw congressional district lines. Even something that sounds easy, such as counting those in ICE detention, is not so easy because some of those people are legal permanent residents, he added.

Roberts, still looking for an exit ramp, noted that right now "we don't know what the president is going to do."

"We don't know how many aliens will be excluded. We don't know what the effect of that would be on apportionment. All these questions would be resolved if we wait until apportionment takes place, so why aren't we better advised to do that?" he asked.

Unspoken was what appeared to be on the minds of all the justices. Because of the pandemic, Census Bureau officials have indicated they likely won't finish the population count in the states until the end of January, at the earliest. And by then, Trump won't be president.

At a post-argument press conference Monday, lawyer Ho said states with large immigrant populations worry that the Trump administration may try to override the Census Bureau's career civil servants and force the early release of census figures "of dubious accuracy" before Inauguration Day.

"I don't think there's any guarantee that the administration wouldn't try to ram something through," Ho said, "even if the professionals didn't believe that that number met accepted standards in social science."

Monday's arguments before the Supreme Court came just days after a lower court in Washington, D.C., tossed out one of the multiple lawsuits over Trump's memo.

Three lower courts previously declared that memo to be a violation of census statutes, or of the Constitution, or both. The vote in all three of those cases was unanimous, with judges appointed by both Republican and Democratic presidents.

But the panel in Washington, made up of mostly Trump-appointed judges, found that the case is not ready for a court to review. In a split decision, the court decided it should not step in until after the president delivers the numbers to Congress.

That process is likely to take place after Trump's presidency.

The Census Bureau recently concluded it cannot finish putting together the first set of census numbers by the legal reporting deadline of Dec. 31.

After finding "processing anomalies" in this year's census results, the bureau's career staff determined it needs to run more quality checks until at least Jan. 26, almost a week after the end of Trump's term.

That timing would mean the process for reapportioning House seats and Electoral College votes among the states would take place under the watch of newly inaugurated President Joe Biden, who has condemned Trump's memo and said that "in America, everyone counts."

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At the U.S. Supreme Court today, justices seemed doubtful about President Trump's claim that he can exclude all undocumented immigrants from the census count. The Constitution mandates that the Census Bureau count the, quote, "whole number of persons" living in each state to figure out how many congressional seats and electoral college votes are allocated to each state. NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg reports.

NINA TOTENBERG, BYLINE: Never in U.S. history has the census excluded unauthorized immigrants from its count. But in July President Trump issued a memorandum instructing the Census Bureau to give him two sets of numbers, one delineating the whole number of persons living in each state and a second number for apportioning congressional districts, which subtracts all undocumented immigrants from the count. Three federal courts blocked Trump's order, declaring that it violated the Constitution or federal statutes or both. In the Supreme Court today, acting Solicitor General Jeffrey Wall was in the unenviable position of telling the justices that he didn't know how many illegal aliens Trump plans to exclude.

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JEFFREY WALL: As of this very morning, career experts at the Census Bureau confirmed with me that they still don't know even roughly how many illegal aliens it'll be able to identify, let alone how their number and geographic concentration might affect apportionment.

TOTENBERG: Chief Justice Roberts noted that the court had expedited this case because Trump had asserted he needed the numbers by December 31 in order to allocate congressional seats.

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JOHN ROBERTS: Is that date still operative? Do you still need a decision by that date?

WALL: Well, the situation is fairly fluid, Mr. Chief Justice. But isn't that going to be like having to unscramble the eggs? Any change in any one state, of course, is going to have ripple effects all across the country.

TOTENBERG: Wall replied that the administration still doesn't know what is, quote, "feasible." It may be able to at least identify some small subset of illegal aliens, for instance those in ICE detention and perhaps some others. Justice Alito.

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SAMUEL ALITO: I find the posture of this case quite frustrating. It could be that this is much ado about very little. There are only 31 days left in the year. To exclude the 10.5 million seems to me a monumental task.

TOTENBERG: With Wall's uncertainty, the justices started looking for exit ramps in this case. After all, Census Bureau officials have indicated that because of the pandemic, they may not be able to complete the census until after Trump leaves office. Still, Wall pressed on. The administration is on an extremely compressed schedule, he said, and should not be barred from this opportunity. But if Trump was looking for help from his appointees, he didn't get much. Here, for instance, is his most recent appointee, Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

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AMY CONEY BARRETT: A lot of the historical evidence and longstanding practice really cuts against your position. You can see that illegal aliens have never been excluded as a category from the census.

TOTENBERG: Anyway, Barrett went on to say, given the uncertainty about the Census Bureau's ability to come up with any firm numbers, perhaps the court should wait and see what develops. Representing New York, state Solicitor General Barbara Underwood argued that there's nothing to wait for.

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BARBARA UNDERWOOD: The framers wanted a system that could not easily be manipulated, so they decided to count just the persons living in each state. The policy here would, for the first time, reject that choice.

TOTENBERG: The ACLU's Dale Ho, representing immigrant rights groups, added that waiting until after a Trump reapportionment would be very disruptive for states that will quickly be in a crunch to redraw district lines. Even something that sounds easy, he said, like counting people in ICE detention as illegal, is in fact not so easy because some people in ICE detention are legal permanent residents. Chief Justice Roberts, still looking for an exit ramp - why not wait until the apportionment numbers are set for each state and then deal with a challenge if there is one?

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ROBERTS: Right now we don't know what the secretary's going to do. We don't know what the president's going to do. We don't know how many aliens will be excluded. We don't know what the effect of that will be on apportionment. All these questions would be resolved if we wait until the apportionment takes place. So why aren't we better advised to do that?

TOTENBERG: Unspoken was what was on everyone's mind. Census Bureau officials have indicated they likely won't finish until the end of January at the earliest, and Trump won't be president then.

Nina Totenberg, NPR News, Washington.

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